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HI !Friendica Support,

I've been recently reminded of the ambiguity of the dislike reaction feature. @Spencer added a dislike on a post of mine with a negative tone. Then he felt the need to explicit the meaning of the dislike in a comment.

I'd like to remove this feature for 3 reasons:
  • No other protocol supports it.
  • It's too ambiguous and negative with harassment potential.
  • It would visually clear some space in the post link list for people not using it like me.



What do you think?

Airin Hanami doesn't like this.

I thought it was clever too, but dislike usage is awkward and limited to Friendica network, which doesn’t match our network universalist philosophy.

I‘m not against emoji reactions even though I probably wouldn’t use them myself, but I’m against the idea of replacement. The Dislike removal shouldn’t be tied with the emoji reaction addition.
I don't think there is any more harassment potential than in comments, especially since there is no notification but I am not seeing much use for it as no one else supports it.

I am not opposed to the idea but it just doesn't get traction so perhaps it should become optional as in theory some community might want to use it.
Same here. I like the function but not what it is called.
I, personally, like both "like" and "dislike".

Concerning "No other protocol supports it": it is part of the definition of ActivityPub:
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-dislike and Diaspora: https://diaspora.github.io/diaspora_federation/entities/like.html

Concerning the "harassment potential": I've got the opinion that you cannot solve social problems with technology.

I see the "dislike" as some supportive activity. When someone reports something negative, like some disaster or so, pressing "like" feels just wrong. But "dislike" then transports the message: "Yes, I don't like what happened as well".
Concerning the "harassment potential": I've got the opinion that you cannot solve social problems with technology.
It's true but technology can still enable or damper negative behaviors. Twitter's all-public centralized model definitely enabled mass pile-on, while Mastodon's choice to not support quote-boost makes it slightly harder to add a snide remark to a boosted toot. Sometimes it's all it takes to prevent a toxic behavior from scaling/spreading.

This is a similar situation: removing the "Dislike" button wouldn't solve online animosity, but it would remove an easy one-click outlet for it, increasing the effort threshold for its expression.
I'm mostly lost with the slight variations of the emojis.
@Tobias, sounds like people are just extremely confused about what message "dislike" button conveys. If "like" can be confusing only in certain edge cases (like tragic events), with "dislike" you always have to elaborate.

This is the reason I never use it (not just on Friendica but pretty much anywhere).
Isn't # also supporting it?
If I recall correctly it is optional there.
It's a possible interpretation, but if the Dislike wasn't available, I believe you would be less likely to feel that way.
Myself I like upvote/downvote the best.

Upvote means "I appreciate you posting this, great content, I agree" and such. Downvote means "Ugh, this is not for me".

It is feedback on content, not emotional expression. For that there are comments.

Also this way likes/dislikes can be used for further processing. E.g. if I downvote a post, don't subscribe me to it or maybe even hide it from my stream. If I like it then subscribe me for activity on it.
How many people (re)discovered the Dislike feature thanks to this thread?
Because of the extremely limited range of available reactions. and the unlikelihood of such a meaning. Both combined means that you can safely assume good faith from everyone who added a "Like" on your broken leg post.

Which means even if someone actually meant to show they enjoy your predicament, they couldn't adequately convey it with a "Like" only.
For me downvoting always felt as content quality feedback and nothing else. But I suppose someone might see it differently.

And on the other hand do we really need this on social networks? In places like Reddit this has practical function of filtering and refining the best content. Not perfect, can be misused but it has a purpose.

But isn't social networking different? What is the point of downvoting (or disliking) here? The authors here are generally not in search of truth or public approval, they just express themselves. Most probably don't mind criticism (I certainly don't) but what message do dislikes convey? That someone just disliked my cat or political statement? What should I do with this information? Be upset? Go dislike something back? Stop being myself?

This probably has value for professional bloggers but not ordinary people.
Because it isn't the same meaning? Like has a positive tone, dislike has a negative tone.
Again, if you can't grasp that a specific word can have multiple meanings depending on context, while also having a primary acception with a definite positive or negative tone, there is nothing meaningful I can add to this conversation. "Like" and "Dislike" are different words with different meaning with different tones. The difference in tone sets the difference in usage as well.

In the four years I've been using Friendica with the dislike feature, nobody has commented on one of my post to clarify a "Like" they added because they weren't sure of the reception. However it happened last month with "Dislike".

There is a difference between the two cases and I'm running out of arguments to help you see it.
Not all, but there are such postings.
"in the larger scheme". This means it is statistically insignificant. It doesn't happen often enough to warrant a specific treatment. Its very low likelihood makes it irrelevant regarding the dislike feature removal question.
I can't check right now, but I will make the prediction that the dislikes on this thread alone amount for 90% of the total amount of dislikes I've received on my node for the last year.
The activity in this thread demonstrates that there is no consensus on this topic. In my opinion this means that we shouldn't remove this functionality.
There is no consensus to remove that feature. Do you see some compromise?
Also not a single dislike used :)
Although this wouldn’t prevent harassment through dislikes.
Even if my node is among the top 25% most active Friendica nodes?
Concerning different possible configuration options, these ones would be possible and had a completely different impact:
- Don't show the "dislike" button, but display received dislikes
- Don't show the "dislike" button and ignore received dislikes
- Don't show the "dislike" button and count received dislikes as likes
- Show the "dislike" button and ignore received dislikes
- Show the "dislike" button and count received dislikes as likes
I'm for keeping it. Its the nearest thing to a poll we have. There is also an API for dislikes which I use. So if you change the code please tell the client programmer in time.
Voted for "user setting" and by that I mean users being able to turn on and off both the button and counts. It should still work on protocol level, just not showing if disabled.

Node admin should control the default. Default works for anonymous accounts.
..then i need a user setting for switching emojis off.
I just do not want to see them, it's alienware and destroys my eyes.
Yes, this is much needed to.
They are super ugly :)

There is no escape from Unicode emoji though 🙃
@Hypolite Petovan @hoergen on Friendica

Hey guys, without having any experience with such a situation i would say, this support-forum is the best place to publish the poll.
Here in the forum you find exactly those users, who are interested in issues like this. And you reach all of them, regardless whom they are following.

What could be done is another separate post here with hashtags. But that's it, isn't it?
Any public post will fade away in the gobal timeline and reaches only that users, who are already following Hypolite.

At this point a pinned post on top of the forum would be great.
Can @Steffen K9 🐰 can pin a post in the support forum?
So don't transmit them as like/dislike since obviously it's not the same meaning... 🤦
I thought you just wanted to change the label but keep the same message structure.
Dislike is a valid actitivystreams2 activity: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-dislike. Other ActivityPub systems might implement it in the future.
@Michael Vogel mentioned it as well and I crossed it out from the list of reasons I wanted to remove it from Friendica but maybe the edit doesn't propagate to the forum because I don't own the post anymore.